When Did Breasts Become the Enemy?

[Anyanka Bunny Slayer]

Seriously, I've been thinking about this for awhile. I don't know if it's just in America or what, but I'm sure some of you guys have noticed pictures (arty or otherwise) of women are being edited because (gasp!) a nipple or two can be seen. The silliest thing I've ever witnessed (besides @Skanky Vamp's velvet jockstraps) are those pictures where breasts are seen, but the nipples are removed/blurred. Why?

And to think, only a few decades ago women were flinging those puppies everywhere. It was a bounce fest! A Boob-A-Thon! 🥳 Being braless was considered sexy, not outrageous. (Charlie's Angels, for example)

So, what happened? Why is gross stuff like twerking considered acceptable and sexy, but a braless woman in a t-shirt is scandalous? Think about it.

Discuss.

 

[ILLYRIAN]

Maybe the B word and the N words are a problem for countries like America, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Not so for countries like Britain, France, Australia, Sweden etc:, etc:, etc:.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

I posit it's the Madonna complex and the patriarchy's failure to recognize that sex symbols can also be nurturing mothers... ergo, hide the nipples.

 

[November]

Yeah everything is topsy turvy. Pre-pandemic, I got stopped on the street and told to put a bra on. At the time it was more comfortable for me not to with my injuries. I was wearing loose fitting clothes so it wasnt as if the tits were out. So I started wearing a poncho over the top. Even that offended people.


But when the trannie at the pub got new boobs with the covid cash, well they were celebrated!

Same as everything I guess, people prefer stuff off the production line than home grown and made.

 

[ILLYRIAN]

November how could you, maybe the comment was for you to wear the bra on your bum cheeks! Obviously your twerking upset the sensitive nature of someone !

 

[November]

November how could you, maybe the comment was for you to wear the bra on your bum cheeks! Obviously your twerking upset the sensitive nature of someone !

Yeah why isnt twerking with a plumbers crack considered as sexy as the music vids?!?

 

[ILLYRIAN]

Oh @November, you got that wrong,
it isn't stated that it is referred to as a plumbers crack,
it is when the plumber works for the firm that has a reputation for being known as Crack Plumbing. Normally noted when said plumber is on all fours repairing the pipes under the sink!

 

[Sinmerina]

I also questioned on why they make a big deal with women having their nipples showing underneath their clothes when guys can freely be completely shirtless and no one cares. I guess the difference in gender makes both a different situation, but still. Idk why societies views on men and women are so different sometimes.

 

[epimetrius]

It's puritanical bs really. The "blame the women for boys not acting correctly" go to. As for the differing views of gender, it's kind of par the course with power balance. Those who are seen as the higher lack conscious, this is then chalked up to a problem with those that are seen as lower. It's an over used, but apt phrase, victim blaming. Even in movies where nipples could be seen under clothes were not made with the "nipples are part of the body" mentality, in some way, shape, or form, it's meant to titillate, even if tasteless, the argument is "artistic vision," but ends up appealing to some real creeps.

Also cultural norms just shift, the ass, though considered sexual, is not treated as intrinsically sexual, like boobs. There's the bogus view that twerking takes more skill (which is true, it takes any skill to do any dance really), but it's about marketing really. Sex sells, and people like ass more than chest right now. I consider the view "bogus" because it's just cope, people want to see stuff they can get off to, and will defend it because calling it bad is seen as a personal attack.

Also the acceptability of certain things I think is a matter of perspective, even demographic. I work at a highschool, leggings get girls written up, and it's the older teachers who do the write ups, I've only ever told students to please not wear beer shirts in school. I as an adult am not looking, which may say more about my co-workers. But alas, I work in the Evangelical Protectorate of Texasisatan, where acknowledging the existence of Jim Crow is called communism, ergo, perspective and demographic.

 

[thetopher]

Fun fact, in the in the 50's in the UK it was completely acceptable for a woman to breast-feed their baby in public, nobody said anything. Why? Waht with the patriarchy being in full swing?
Well, because our society hadn't become ultra-sexualized like it is today. For example way back when nobody was trying to claim that public twerking is somehow empowering.

It's not always the patriarchy, more often than not its something else entirely.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

The overt sexualization of breasts in our culture is ridiculous. But is is what it is.

 

[Bop]

It must be to do with the male gaze or something because at my gym in the women's changing rooms quite a few women hang around with a completely bare chest while getting changed, I don't think they'd be comfortable doing that in a space that had men. My friend said at her women's uni gym there would even be completely naked women there sometimes.

 

[Moptop]

Also cultural norms just shift, the ass, though considered sexual, is not treated as intrinsically sexual, like boobs.

It's because both man and women have butts, but only a woman has enlarged breasts. If some of these people are so worried about a nipple showing through the cloth then I'm amazed that they haven't gone after the yoga pants crow either. Yoga pants show a lot more that any thin, tight, top ever would.

 

[Ethan Reigns]

And to think, only a few decades ago women were flinging those puppies everywhere. It was a bounce fest! A Boob-A-Thon! 🥳 Being braless was considered sexy, not outrageous. (Charlie's Angels, for example)

So, what happened? Why is gross stuff like twerking considered acceptable and sexy, but a braless woman in a t-shirt is scandalous? Think about it.

Discuss.

Women made up this rule, not men. Average women thought that better-looking women should be forced to cover up because that would level the playing field. Women can be very competitive about going after a man and this was part of the equality they were seeking. (Except for the best-looking ones, they didn't want equality.)

 

[Tome]

Seriously, I've been thinking about this for awhile. I don't know if it's just in America or what, but I'm sure some of you guys have noticed pictures (arty or otherwise) of women are being edited because (gasp!) a nipple or two can be seen. The silliest thing I've ever witnessed (besides @Skanky Vamp's velvet jockstraps) are those pictures where breasts are seen, but the nipples are removed/blurred. Why?

And to think, only a few decades ago women were flinging those puppies everywhere. It was a bounce fest! A Boob-A-Thon! 🥳 Being braless was considered sexy, not outrageous. (Charlie's Angels, for example)

So, what happened? Why is gross stuff like twerking considered acceptable and sexy, but a braless woman in a t-shirt is scandalous? Think about it.

Discuss.

Well, first of all, you're making the common mistake of confounding two groups of people. Nobody who thinks twerking is acceptable and/or sexy also believes that a woman going braless is scandalous. 🤣 That is a ridiculous strawman.

In both cases, you're talking about puritanical people. The USA are rooted a lot more in puritanism than a majority of other countries in the world. In many European, South American, and African countries, nudity is no big deal.

As for arguing that Americans were much more ok with braless outfits in the past, that's also untrue. It's a lot more common today. There are many states in the US (mostly progressive ones) where it's quite normal for women to go braless, starting with California.

Overall, your post sounds like you're criticizing certain people for being hypocrites, but I don't see this as being factual at all. Those who are concerned or offended by either of those things tend to fit in the same category.

Maybe the B word and the N words are a problem for countries like America, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Not so for countries like Britain, France, Australia, Sweden etc:, etc:, etc:.

Not so sure about that. 🤣

Yeah everything is topsy turvy. Pre-pandemic, I got stopped on the street and told to put a bra on. At the time it was more comfortable for me not to with my injuries. I was wearing loose fitting clothes so it wasnt as if the tits were out. So I started wearing a poncho over the top. Even that offended people.


But when the trannie at the pub got new boobs with the covid cash, well they were celebrated!

Same as everything I guess, people prefer stuff off the production line than home grown and made.

You should have laughed in that person's face and told them to mind their own business. What you choose to wear is not up to them.

Also, you might be unaware (hopefully) but "trannie" is a derogatory term and quite offensive. Pretty sure it goes against the rules on BB to throw out slurs.

I also questioned on why they make a big deal with women having their nipples showing underneath their clothes when guys can freely be completely shirtless and no one cares. I guess the difference in gender makes both a different situation, but still. Idk why societies views on men and women are so different sometimes.

Well, it's because men's breasts and nipples don't have a long history of being sexualized. You simply cannot compare the two.

There might be a point in the future where women's breasts will not be as sexualized. However, we are quite far from that right now. Mentalities would have to change a lot.

It's puritanical bs really. The "blame the women for boys not acting correctly" go to. As for the differing views of gender, it's kind of par the course with power balance. Those who are seen as the higher lack conscious, this is then chalked up to a problem with those that are seen as lower. It's an over used, but apt phrase, victim blaming. Even in movies where nipples could be seen under clothes were not made with the "nipples are part of the body" mentality, in some way, shape, or form, it's meant to titillate, even if tasteless, the argument is "artistic vision," but ends up appealing to some real creeps.

Also cultural norms just shift, the ass, though considered sexual, is not treated as intrinsically sexual, like boobs. There's the bogus view that twerking takes more skill (which is true, it takes any skill to do any dance really), but it's about marketing really. Sex sells, and people like ass more than chest right now. I consider the view "bogus" because it's just cope, people want to see stuff they can get off to, and will defend it because calling it bad is seen as a personal attack.

Also the acceptability of certain things I think is a matter of perspective, even demographic. I work at a highschool, leggings get girls written up, and it's the older teachers who do the write ups, I've only ever told students to please not wear beer shirts in school. I as an adult am not looking, which may say more about my co-workers. But alas, I work in the Evangelical Protectorate of Texasisatan, where acknowledging the existence of Jim Crow is called communism, ergo, perspective and demographic.

I agree with your overall point, although I got lost a bit here and there in your argument.

Ethan Reigns: Women made up this rule, not men. Average women thought that better-looking women should be forced to cover up because that would level the playing field. Women can be very competitive about going after a man and this was part of the equality they were seeking. (Except for the best-looking ones, they didn't want equality.)

I totally disagree with this. Where are you getting the idea that lesser attractive women made a rule where more attractive women have to cover up? 🤣 The whole thing comes from puritanism/religion.

 

[November]

Also, you might be unaware (hopefully) but "trannie" is a derogatory term and quite offensive. Pretty sure it goes against the rules on BB to throw out slurs.

Yep totally unaware it was a slur now. I cant keep up with whats hip and whats not. Soz.


It was more than one and always older women who told me to wear bras. Now I do, but I fall out of them more often than not and I think thats way more offensive to the eyes than not wearing one at all!

 

[Tome]

Yep totally unaware it was a slur now. I cant keep up with whats hip and whats not. Soz.


It was more than one and always older women who told me to wear bras. Now I do, but I fall out of them more often than not and I think thats way more offensive to the eyes than not wearing one at all!

Yea, I think this is more of a thing for women with a larger bust. You offended those older women, Nov. 😮

 

[epimetrius]

I agree with your overall point, although I got lost a bit here and there in your argument.

Alas, I am overly verbose. I have a deep loving relationship with my keyboard, my pen has become jealous.

 

[HowiMetdaSlayer]

This thread made me think of this...

 

[AlphaFoxtrot]

YouTube gets really weird about these things, I saw an edited image of Despair of the Endless, and nobody is getting off on "her."

If I had to guess, You Tube has a real problem with porn, and exposed breasts are one of the quickest indicators of that, so shoot first, ask questions later.

I would also suspect that one of the side effects of this transgendered androgyny thing is that traits that are sexually dimorphic are "out." After all. large breasts are definitely a female trait, so I would expect "It girl" models and actresses to shift towards smaller breast sizes.