Angel the Spin off

[Btvs fan]

@NoShip @NotASlayer @thetopher @silvermoon @Joan the Vampire Slayer
Ok while I did the Crossovers with Angel, I stuck to Buffy on my rewatch so I thought Id watch Angel the non Crossover episodes.
Im on I Fall To Pieces, basically Angel tries to do XFiles
I do love this exchange between Cordelia and Angel
Cordelia "you've been fantastic saving people left and right"
Angel "Im not comfortable asking for money"
Cordelia "Then get over it" 😂😂
Then
Angel "Am I intimidating do I put people off ?"
Cordelia "As Vampires go you're pretty cuddly" 😂

 

[Btvs fan]

I Fall To Pieces in spite of some funny dialogue is not a good episode. The stalking Doctor with detachable body parts probably sounded good on paper but fails in practice. It just looks ridiculous seeing this eye hovering.
Also the victim of the week is completely uninteresting.

Room With A View - The episode that introduces Phantom Denis. I don't hate this episode but I wouldn't say I liked it either. Don't ever expect to watch it again

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

It's your first time seeing the Angel crossover episodes? Wow! What did you think of "I Will Remember You?"

 

[Btvs fan]

It's your first time seeing the Angel crossover episodes? Wow! What did you think of "I Will Remember You?"

Its not my first time, just a rewatch I haven't done in awhile.
I Will Remember You is an awful episode that plays on B/A nostalgia to the max. The Turtle villain is stupid (Attacking Angel and Buffy together at the same time) and the Oracles otherwise known as The Extras in Paint are quite frankly ridiculous. SMGs peformance is great though.
Basically Angel decides to make a decision without Buffy having a choice in the matter which is wrong. Also if the Oracles can just redo a day like this why not do it all the time !

 

[wolfheart]

Maybe i cant say this or not but i liked Angel more than buffy season 4 and 5 were brilliant ( in my opinion)
Buffy was awesome with Caleb but the Spike/Buffy relationship was getting boring(In my opinion)

 

[Btvs fan]

Maybe i cant say this or not but i liked Angel more than buffy season 4 and 5 were brilliant ( in my opinion)
Buffy was awesome with Caleb but the Spike/Buffy relationship was getting boring(In my opinion)

Sorry I dont understand. Caleb was in season 7, this is Angel Season 1

 

[wolfheart]

I Thought it was a debat about Angel in general, what i said i red it wrong and im sorry for that, sometimes my brain sees something differebnnt(lol). From now on i will behave.

 

[Btvs fan]

I Thought it was a debat about Angel in general, what i said i red it wrong and im sorry for that, sometimes my brain sees something differebnnt(lol). From now on i will behave.

No problem

@Joan the Vampire Slayer @NoShip @NotASlayer @hoponlilmama
@thetopher @silvermoon
So I just watched Sense and Sensitivity. Its Tim Minears first episode. Now Tim Minear was the best writer after Joss at Mutant Enemy. He was the only one Joss never did rewrites for and would bring him with him to Firefly.
He also got Angel the character the best and fundamentally got the Angel show changed from Angel beating up a bad guy and saving a girl to being about Angel himself.

So what do I think of his first episode. Welll its enjoyable and there are some great lines but its not perfect though it introduces more of Wolfram and Hart and lawyer Lee. Its also got a human villain in Little Tony
That said the plots a bit meh. Basically Little Tony wants to murder Kate. Though as a Professional criminal he should know that going after cops is stupid.

Some great lines though
Angel "you know Anthony you can be a Rainbow"
Angel punches him "and not a pain bow"

That and
Angel "Whats the magic word"
Cordelia "urghh"
Angel "No I don't think Urgh is the magic word, I'm not sure its even a word"
Cordelia very frustrated "Oh Please"
Angel "See that wasn't so hard was it" 😂😂

All in all an enjoyable episode and actually better on rewatch than first viewing but it won't be till episode 11 that the heights of greatness will be found

 

[Btvs fan]

@NotASlayer @DeepBlueJoy @Joan the Vampire Slayer Ok so I started rewatching Hero and a line from Angel had me go hey that's not true. He tells Doyle about becoming human and being with Buffy and that "WE" decided that we couldn't be together. NO there was no we. Angel arbitrarily laid it on Buffy right before it was about to happen and then he does his time travel, turning back the day.
In fact Buffy turns up at the start of the episode angry that Angel took a decision without her (Pangs) Angel apologises and says he was wrong and then the episode essentially with Angel doing the same thing and I can't tell if the writers caught that point or not. Its clear Greenwalt and Jeannie Renshaw (who) didn't give the same script for Howard Gordon and Tim Minear to use !

Also another couple of issues with IWRY. The Oracles tell Angel he's released from his fealty, yet his supposed mission had nothing to do with them. It was meant to be helping people because he felt guilt of all the people he killed because of his human soul. Not because he's on there Mission (which is what exactly ?)
Also why is the Shanshu prophecy such a big thing when all Angel needs to do is find a Moira demon and use some of its blood to make him human anyway!!

Urghh it annoys me so much more ..

Finally I realised I hadn't reviewed Bachelor Party. Well theres not much to say. Its not good but its not bad either. Its good to get a bit more character info and development on Doyle and Glenn Quinn is really good. No question until the arrival of Alexis Denisof, he was the best actor on the show and really carried it in the first half.
The problem was the whole Demon family, eat the brains subplot was both unescessary and uninteresting and bring it down. Overall ok. Not the worst but not the best either

 

[Btvs fan]

@thetopher @NoShip Whats your thoughts on IWRY ?