Discussion of 3.12 "Helpless" - Aired 1/19/1999 (WB-US)

Are you referring to what Buffy said before being attacked by Kralik ?
Because I have always interpreted her words as an imaginary discourse, as if word for word, she said what she would have liked Angel says to her

No, I think she was clearly berating herself for ignoring Angel. In that scene, she's feeling a bit creeped out and is scolding herself: "Walk me home, Angel. No, I'm fine. I can take care of myself". She's regretting telling Angel not to walk her home.
 
No, I think she was clearly berating herself for ignoring Angel. In that scene, she's feeling a bit creeped out and is scolding herself: "Walk me home, Angel. No, I'm fine. I can take care of myself". She's regretting telling Angel not to walk her home.
Thanks you just open my mind to a new vision of things
 
Awh, I feel so sorry for Buffy in this episode! But, that vampire that drinks the holy water, how come he doesn't feel it burn instantly, when he drinks it? That was kind of weird 😵

And.. poor Giles! That stupid Watcher's council D:
That was clever of Buffy to think of replacing regular water with holy water to kill the vampire.
 
Best part Buffy and Angel sparring and Buffy staking Angel with the Bagget. Angel's B-Day gift to Buffy the poem book with Always written in it. Angel showing relief when Buffy tells him she is seeing her father for her birthday instead of some other man.
 
Someone said they didn't like how their relationship went back to normal after this ep. But I don't think it did. This episode was the turning point in the Buffy/Giles relationship. After this, Buffy was the adult. She made the decisions. She was in charge. Giles supported her. But there was a tectonic shift.
 
Re-watched this one this evening and I think its one of the sleeper episodes of S3. Jeff Kober is one of the most effective one shot villains. It's very creepy and I like many of themes in it. Some nice interactions with Cordy too.
 
Buffy telling Giles that if he touches her she'll kill him is one of the most powerful lines of the show. SMG really gets across how hurt and broken up she is that someone who has grown to be a father figure to her could do such a thing. And her "Bite Me" in response to the Watcher guy is awesome too.
 
So on the rewatch the best word I can sum up for this episode is contrived. The writers clearly wanted an episode of Buffy dealing with a problem helpless without her powers. So in order for this to work Giles has to poison her, Faith has to go on a walkabout and Buffy doesn't go and get Angel the second she finds out her mothers been kidnapped. Even the Council I don't buy because long term what they are doing is at odds with there own selfish interests. Its not just Buffy either but that guy clearing threatening and being abusive to Cordy really isn't good and it's not helped by the comedy scene its dealt with.

I'm not a fan of this episode all in all 4/10 and thats being generous
 
Not loving this on the rewatch. Giles getting fired because he loves Buffy too much is supposed to make everything he did better. He doesn't pay any attention to her emotional pain around her father abandoning her earlier in the episode. He drugs her and lets her wander around waiting to be killed for days. It's hard to believe he'd be so callous given he's put himself on the line to save Buffy before.

I can only assume Buffy not only forgave Giles at the end but covered for him as well. All they're talking about is Giles being fired not him drugging Buffy and nearly getting her killed. Xander wouldn't have been calmly chatting about.
 
Not loving this on the rewatch. Giles getting fired because he loves Buffy too much is supposed to make everything he did better. He doesn't pay any attention to her emotional pain around her father abandoning her earlier in the episode. He drugs her and lets her wander around waiting to be killed for days. It's hard to believe he'd be so callous given he's put himself on the line to save Buffy before.

I can only assume Buffy not only forgave Giles at the end but covered for him as well. All they're talking about is Giles being fired not him drugging Buffy and nearly getting her killed. Xander wouldn't have been calmly chatting about.
It’s pretty much a running thing that Buffy forgives the others mistakes/discretions a lot quicker than they forgive hers. I love Buffy/Giles (apart from S7 😂 when Giles is such a dick) but there’s also The Dark Ages when he puts her in danger, walks away from her at the end of the fight and then she has to pay for the tattoo removal himself 😂 and again the episode ends with her making him feel better

Like you say he nearly gets not only her but her Mother killed and she then basically flies the ‘Team Giles’ flag on his behalf for the rest of the season
 
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I agree that it stretches credibility a bit and Buffy does seem to forgive him a bit too quick. I think part of that is the reality of TV drama. It would have dragged the pacing of the season down to have had Buffy holding a grudge for episodes on end. I still like the episode because its very powerful and disturbing. Also its a important turning point for Giles as a character. Up to this point he was still very set in the old ways of the Coucil etc.. Drama wise it works, its just they could have sold it a bit more in the following episodes. Also don't forget its the Coucil's fault the experiment got out of hands not Giles.
 
Drama wise it works
Yeah the episode is still entertaining. You've got shock value and funny lines etc. It also sets up what they want to do going forward. Giles gets a new role, Wesley comes in and the Council are shown as awful.
Also don't forget its the Coucil's fault the experiment got out of hands not Giles.
What it doesn't do is simultaneously salvage Giles as a character who loves and protects Buffy like a daughter. Quentin saying it just doesn't carry any weight at all. It's not like Giles is a kid who makes one rash mistake and then realises and works to rectify it. He drugs her repeatedly and lets her roam the streets defenceless for days, maybe weeks. The experiment getting out of hand is neither here nor there from where I'm sitting. It was awful to begin with.
 
This is an episode about the Milgram Experiment, a psychological experiment carried out in 1961 and designed to determine what people would do if they were told by an authority figure to do something that would violate their own conscience. In the experiment, the test conductor (who was actually the test subject) was required to administer shocks of progressively higher voltage to a student in another room who he could not see when the he got a question wrong. The student was an actor who gave increasingly loud screams as the shock level was incremented and complained that he had a heart condition and this was getting dangerous as well as painful. The tests were conducted in several ways, some with the authority figure in the room and some without his presence.

The purpose of the experiment was to see whether people would do things that went against their conscience, in large part to determine why seemingly normal people could operate Nazi death camps and whether this was an exclusively German anomaly or whether it could happen anywhere. Most subjects would do what they were told regardless of any sense of morality and people who were teachers usually scored the worst.

In this case, Giles was the test conductor and he failed miserably. Buffy should have written him and the Watchers' Council off permanently at this point. The experiment was dangerous and threatened Joyce as well due to bad planning on the part of the Council. In the real world, Giles would be convicted of administering a toxic substance, reckless endangerment and conspiracy. But the story required Giles to stay in the picture and therefore required Buffy to forgive him. The one character development that happens after this episode is that Buffy never wants to go back to being an ordinary girl again.
 
Where is Faith in that episode ? Did they give an explanation for her not be here ? Also why Buffy didn’t tell her friends about her mom being kidnapped ?
Someone said that in order for this episode to work and Buffy being so helpless they had to make all the others characters being elsewhere ( like Faith) or being the big bad ( like Giles) or acting like they never would ( like Angel leaving Buffy walking alone in the night without her powers) but that’s hard to buy for me.
 
Where is Faith in that episode ? Did they give an explanation for her not be here ? Also why Buffy didn’t tell her friends about her mom being kidnapped ?
Someone said that in order for this episode to work and Buffy being so helpless they had to make all the others characters being elsewhere ( like Faith) or being the big bad ( like Giles) or acting like they never would ( like Angel leaving Buffy walking alone in the night without her powers) but that’s hard to buy for me.

Never really thought about her friends not being told. I guess it makes sense that with her mother in trouble that became the first priority. When its someone that close to you, you don't necessarily have time to stop and track down your friends. This was something more personal to Buffy than just another mission.
 
Never really thought about her friends not being told. I guess it makes sense that with her mother in trouble that became the first priority. When its someone that close to you, you don't necessarily have time to stop and track down your friends. This was something more personal to Buffy than just another mission.
Of course there is an emergency and Buffy doesn’t think properly. Also they didn’t have mobile phones back then so it took more time to contact people. And the purpose of that episode is to prove that Buffy can handle things alone and even without her powers. But it’s hard to believe that everyone else is just so not concerned ( in the sense they didn’t help) by what’s happening to her.
 
Of course there is an emergency and Buffy doesn’t think properly. Also they didn’t have mobile phones back then so it took more time to contact people. And the purpose of that episode is to prove that Buffy can handle things alone and even without her powers. But it’s hard to believe that everyone else is just so not concerned ( in the sense they didn’t help) by what’s happening to her.

But if you don't know how can you be concerned? The only thing they knew about is that Buffy had lost her powers. Pretty sure none of them found out about Joyce being kidnapped at least not til later.
 
  1. Faith was on one of her walkabouts. I suppose you could say that Giles chased her off for the week, but it's just as likely that she thought one of Oz's friends was cute.
  2. Because, she still wanted to win. Look, if she brought the Scoobies, the Council may have declared the test null and void, and she would have to retake it. In addition, while she doesn't like being lied to, she doesn't object to being tested, and has full faith in her wits. It's also likely she can't protect her friends on this one, so they are just a liability.
 
Yeah the Faith one is a bit more iffy because she should have been in at least 1 or 2 more episodes in the firs half the season. It just works with her loner/bad girl style character that she is distant from the main group a lot of the time, also that she stays in that grubby motel for the first part of the season.

Also @Antho I was talking to someone about this last night, and she seemed to think that in the episode Buffy is left a note telling her to come alone or something bad will happen to Joyce? That would be another reason for her not contacting the Scoobies.
 
Drama-wise this is a great episode that sets up the rest of the season and gives us WESLEY!!!!! 😎🌞🥳🎉🍺

However, if one spends half a second thinking about the plot the episode unravels really quickly. If you bring in any of your personal experience it just falls apart. There are way too many plotholes and on season rewatch it becomes blindingly obvious that Helpless only exists to move the season along and provide another example of Buffy's Bad Birthdays. But..... Wesley!!!!

Given the high quality of most other episodes and the high stakes of this episode, I just end up kinda gobsmacked at how badly Helpless turns out.
 
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I don’t know if there are that many plot holes I think for most of them there plausible explanations, but take your point.
I remember that being one of the criticisms of Faith, that what we saw of the character didn't build her betrayal up enough.
 
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