Favourite version of Angel?
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I like Angel throughout Angel and (purely in the sense of finding the character interesting) in the Angelus story in Season 2 of Buffy. Buffy-loving Angel is dull to me. What seeing Angel really made me realize is that he's a great character, as long as he's not pining over Buffy.
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Angel in AtS 5 is peak Angel. It's like, finally we get why both the PtB and the dark powers want this guy on their side during an apocalypse. They don't want Angelus, or nihilistic Angel, or dork Angel, they want the version that even when he's surrounded on all side by enemies will nonetheless do what it takes to lead fellow champions and outsmart/defeat the bad guys.
I also like S1 Angel as well and the journey he goes on, discovering his mission and finding his place in the world; being a guy others can count on.
Worst version of Angel; S3 Angel, dorky Dad/Cangel cretin that he was. Only improves, belatedly, when he's fighting for his son (either baby or teen Connor) but even then he gets outsmarted and loses.
I also like S1 Angel as well and the journey he goes on, discovering his mission and finding his place in the world; being a guy others can count on.
Worst version of Angel; S3 Angel, dorky Dad/Cangel cretin that he was. Only improves, belatedly, when he's fighting for his son (either baby or teen Connor) but even then he gets outsmarted and loses.
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Good points! The gooey-eyed Daddy Angel stuff in s3 went a bit far, like an extension of Angel being so happy at being in the sun in Pylea. A bit of a tonal whiplash!
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On the whole, I like Angel on Angel way better than Angel on Buffy. I think he's flawed no matter what, but he's a vampire and he's working hard to do the best he can. He makes some doozies, but he tries hard and I respect that. I also find him looser and more fun in Angel than he was in Buffy. I especially enjoy the first 3 seasons.
Angel is ruthless. This is a ruling characteristic. If you cannot accept this about him (or Giles especially Ripper-Giles) you cannot care about them. They are capable of things that other people can't or won't consider. They also cut through a lot of BS. It makes them very interesting.
One of the things that keeps both series watchable even with all the horribles is how much one manages to laugh, even if it's laughter in the midst of horror and misery.
I like Angel least when he gets obsessive with Darla and almost gets his team killed. His action with Darla and Dru, and the lawyers in the wine cellar was reprehensible even though not a one of them deserved anything good to happen to them. Heroes don't suborn murder.
I'm truly horrified when he lies to them so he can go to wolfram and hart. I get wanting to save Connor. I even see the positive 'sane Connor' that resulted, but he essentially sacrificed ALL his friends to W&H in order to save Connor. It is not clear at the end of the series if he has even succeeded in taking down any part of W&H. I save my son, kill my friends, and the world may well end up in hell, no handbasket required. No.
This is not sane behaviour. Had Cordelia survived as herself, there's no way they would have gone to W&H.
Note: i ignore all the comics except at best as light entertainment, especially the post series 'Buffy' ones. The TV shows are canon. The movie was partly canonical (as stated in the things in the series that are acknowledged).
Angel is ruthless. This is a ruling characteristic. If you cannot accept this about him (or Giles especially Ripper-Giles) you cannot care about them. They are capable of things that other people can't or won't consider. They also cut through a lot of BS. It makes them very interesting.
One of the things that keeps both series watchable even with all the horribles is how much one manages to laugh, even if it's laughter in the midst of horror and misery.
I like Angel least when he gets obsessive with Darla and almost gets his team killed. His action with Darla and Dru, and the lawyers in the wine cellar was reprehensible even though not a one of them deserved anything good to happen to them. Heroes don't suborn murder.
I'm truly horrified when he lies to them so he can go to wolfram and hart. I get wanting to save Connor. I even see the positive 'sane Connor' that resulted, but he essentially sacrificed ALL his friends to W&H in order to save Connor. It is not clear at the end of the series if he has even succeeded in taking down any part of W&H. I save my son, kill my friends, and the world may well end up in hell, no handbasket required. No.
This is not sane behaviour. Had Cordelia survived as herself, there's no way they would have gone to W&H.
Note: i ignore all the comics except at best as light entertainment, especially the post series 'Buffy' ones. The TV shows are canon. The movie was partly canonical (as stated in the things in the series that are acknowledged).