Question Is Angel In Love With Spike?

smgismyqueenjpg

smgismyqueenjpg

BuffyPhile
Joined
Oct 25, 2016
Messages
608
Age
26
Location
United States Of America
Black Thorn
tumblr_mzk8m2yXCz1qalhmdo1_500.gif
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bop
It's a familial love. Like the love divorced people might have for each other, they're still family and they care deeply and they hate each other at times because of the history.
 
GoSpuffy said:
It's a familial love. Like the love divorced people might have for each other, they're still family and they care deeply and they hate each other at times because of the history.
Click to expand...
Were Spike and Angel ever family? Angel had a thing for Spike, but Spike was infatuated with Dru. Angel put Spike in his place by ****ing Dru in front of him. I think it was only Dru - and maybe Darla - that cared about the family. Spike only cared about Dru, and Angel cared for nobody.
 
If Angel cared for nobody he wouldn't have stayed with them at all surely. I think it was clear Angel did have a strong connection with Darla and wanted to return to her even when souled (accepting that this was a troubled/difficult time for him at that stage). He felt some sense of 'familial bond' to Dru and Spike too I think. Otherwise, when Spike was causing so much trouble as a young vampire they wouldn't have tolerated it at all and all stuck together. I'm not sure how much Angel would directly put himself out for any of them necessarily, it would probably very much depend on circumstances and competing priorities, but he hasn't dusted Dru all the times he has come across her, he did go through the trials to try and save Darla and I think he and Spike came to gain some respect on a different level for each other once they were both souled. If they were able, in the sense that other things didn't trump it, I think the two souled vamps would willingly back each other up if needed these days.

But my answer to the question would be a no. Angel and Spike come across as feuding siblings to me. There is a familial loyalty there but it is often overshadowed by competitive rivalry and I'm not sure they often actually like each other much in truth. They didn't spend a very large portion of their vampiric lives together but it is always played as being significant to them in the way that they respond to each other. Very much like siblings, they have got to know some of each other's foibles but often make poor assumptions about the other and show that they don't know each other personally very well. They both often project their own issues and insecurities on the other too and I think a lot of these failings are because they both keep their guards up around the other a lot of the time. It just limits how well they know each other so they don't have a great personal bond I don't think, even if they do care about what happens to the other in a general way. I wouldn't say they 'love' each other even as friends and it certainly isn't romantic at all to my eye, but it is a very interesting relationship. 😀
 
Stoney said:
If Angel cared for nobody he wouldn't have stayed with them at all surely. I think it was clear Angel did have a strong connection with Darla and wanted to return to her even when souled (accepting that this was a troubled/difficult time for him at that stage). He felt some sense of 'familial bond' to Dru and Spike too I think. Otherwise, when Spike was causing so much trouble as a young vampire they wouldn't have tolerated it at all and all stuck together. I'm not sure how much Angel would directly put himself out for any of them necessarily, it would probably very much depend on circumstances and competing priorities, but he hasn't dusted Dru all the times he has come across her, he did go through the trials to try and save Darla and I think he and Spike came to gain some respect on a different level for each other once they were both souled.

But my answer to the question would be a no. Angel and Spike come across as feuding siblings to me. There is a familial loyalty there but it is often overshadowed by competitive rivalry and I'm not sure they often actually like each other much in truth. They didn't spend a very large portion of their vampiric lives together but it is always played as being significant to them in the way that they respond to each other. Very much like siblings, they have got to know some of each other's foibles but often make poor assumptions about the other and show that they don't know each other personally very well. They both often project their own issues and insecurities on the other too and I think a lot of these failings are because they both keep their guards up around the other a lot of the time. It just limits how well they know each other so they don't have a great personal bond I don't think, even if they do care about what happens to the other in a general way. I wouldn't say they 'love' each other even as friends and it certainly isn't romantic at all to my eye, but it is a very interesting relationship. 😀
Click to expand...
For Me They're Lovers. Joss put so much sexual tension.
 
I think that is just the competitive rivalry. We know that they were intimate once but one or both of them clearly chose not to repeat it. I just don't see sexual tension but posturing and one upmanship. Mileage varies of course. 🙂
 
smgismyqueenjpg said:
For Me They're Lovers. Joss put so much sexual tension.
Click to expand...

They were lovers at least once, we know for sure 🙂

I'm not sure there's any "in love" to be had there, but there's a certain kind affection for sure.
I certainly think they have chemistry!
 
Joss Whedon said in the DVD commentary (Season 5 but I don`t remember the episode) about their relationship "We have finally found the right girl for Angel".

I hope he was only joking.

My answer to this question is a solid "No." Never. Never ever. Never ever ever.

flow
 
Let's face it - BtVS and the Buffy Boards have become a homing beacon for the gay and lesbian community since it was one of the first shows with a lesbian couple and fans tend to imagine and ship gay and lesbian romances between all kinds of unlikely couples, That said, you really can't force fit a romance between Angel and Spike with any realism. The have been paired up with each other as sire and sired and have been accomplices in crimes for a long time so they have history but not romantic chemistry. They are family partners, not romantic partners.
 
Athene said:
I really don't see anything sexual between Angel and Spike, they're more like brothers :/
Click to expand...

Agreed. Angelus and Spike might back each other up in a fight (eg against the Immortal) but there wasn't anything sexual there past or present.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bop
They're vampires....I think they can be both brotherly and have sexual tension. I see them as all those things. Friends, enemies, frenemies, lovers, brothers, competitors, partners, sire and sired. Depends on the mood and alcohol content of the day.
 
These are not Anne Rice vampires. There is nothing to suggest that all vampires in the Buffyverse are sexually fluid or automatically bisexual.

I can understand having fantasy ships, but purposely creating sexual energy or stating that they are lovers just to fit that fantasy, is exactly the reason for Fan Fiction.

Fans take that one line where he says " that one time " of intimacy as some sort of definitive proof that Angel and Spike had sex. There is nothing that proves that, that moment could have meant anything.

Angel and Spike have fantastic chemistry. They are great rivals, great frenemies, and grudging friends. Doesn't mean they are lovers . Can't anything be platonic between characters or does everything have to be sexual??
 
DeadlyDuo
DeadlyDuo
Agreed. My headcanon for that "one time" intimate encounter is that Angelus got very drunk and climbed into Spike's bed by accident, thinking it was Darla's, and groped Spike before quickly realising his mistake. Spike and Angelus never spoke of it again.
Ethan Reigns said:
Let's face it - BtVS and the Buffy Boards have become a homing beacon for the gay and lesbian community since it was one of the first shows with a lesbian couple and fans tend to imagine and ship gay and lesbian romances between all kinds of unlikely couples,
Click to expand...

The first OPENLY gay couple, maybe, and I'm pretty sure that the term "ship" wasn't in use at the time, but there were Kirk/Spock shippers from halfway through the first Season, and then there was the Batman/Robin (Adam West and Burt Ward) and the characters on a whole bunch of other "buddy" shows from the 70's and 80's were speculated on as well. People have been speculating on these kind of relationships for a long, long time.

As for Angel/Spike, I guess that's not any different from Buffy/Faith, and that's very popular. Whatever floats your boat, or, in this case, ship, seems to be okay with most folks.
 
white avenger said:
The first OPENLY gay couple, maybe, and I'm pretty sure that the term "ship" wasn't in use at the time, but there were Kirk/Spock shippers from halfway through the first Season, and then there was the Batman/Robin (Adam West and Burt Ward) and the characters on a whole bunch of other "buddy" shows from the 70's and 80's were speculated on as well. People have been speculating on these kind of relationships for a long, long time.

As for Angel/Spike, I guess that's not any different from Buffy/Faith, and that's very popular. Whatever floats your boat, or, in this case, ship, seems to be okay with most folks.
Click to expand...

The lesbian ship between Willow and Tara was explicit whereas Kirk/Spock and Batman/Robin and I would add Xena/Gabrielle ships were only speculative. This was a breakthrough because it was explicitly stated, no imagination required. But Angel/Spike was never anything explicit. There were also a lot of counter-indications because they work best as a family relationship.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom