Spike's reaction to Buffy's resurrection

[Wildfly]

It really confuses me.

From what i see he is shocked, shaken, happy as in crying (tears of joy?)
angry ('I worked with you all summer and you didn't tell me!')
protective ('...there was a chance she'd come back wrong. So wrong that you'd
have to-- that she'd have to get rid of what came back. And she knew I
wouldn't let her.')
disturbed by the misuse of magic ('There's always consequences')
Then we see him punching the wall, distraught.

My question is, if the Scoobies did ask his advice, what he would have told them?

He was obviously grieving, missing Buffy and feeling guilty for not saving her
but (as far as i know) he never tried to bring her back, though in the past if he wants something he always tries to find a solution and knows whom to ask. He does cure Dru's ailment with black magic and even helps Dawn to bring back the shadow of Joyce and there was that love spell attempt in season 3 🙂 He usually pretty good with finding ancient texts, artifacts and magic users to assist him in what he wants. Or nerds to create a sexboot or check on his chip, for that matter. Or jumping on the possibility to remove his chip when he hears that a doc of the Initiative is in town. But he never does do anything to try to bring her back. Instead, he keeps his promise to protect Dawn.

So why the sudden scrupulousness about the possible consequences of magic? It seems he's the only one seriously bugged by that.
So what would he do if asked by Willow to help in the spell?

 

[sosa lola]

Spike didn't seem to have a problem helping Dawn bring Joyce back. He would probably join Xander when he objected in the meeting, but I think in the end, he'd have joined them. Though he'd have pointed out that they should dig her out of her grave seeing he had to dig himself out of his grave before.

 

[Buffy Summers]

I think when it's someone you really care about that you're talking about coming back as a monster it's different than someone you only sort of know. Because it was someone important to him he got how serious it was.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Because it was someone important to him he got how serious it was.

Yes. He learned that lesson from his mum. I don't think he would have participated in something that might have ended up with him having to put Buffy down.

 

[white avenger]

I don't think that how Buffy came back would have been as much of a problem for Spike as it would have been for anyone else. He was, at that point, after all, still the soulless monster whose only reason for not draining every one of the Scoobies was that he had a chip in his head preventing him from doing so. He loved Joyce, he loved Dawn, and far and above all else, he loved Buffy. The others were, at best, a nuisance, more likely just those happy meals on legs that he talked about. In fact, if Buffy had come back as a soulless monster, he would have been quite pleased with the situation.

Most likely, Spike never tried to bring Buffy back on his own because he didn't trust magic of the magnitude something like that would require. He didn't want to contend with those consequences that he talked about. let someone else take those chances, however, and he would have been glad to share in the benefits. If he had found another way to have brought her back, himself, relatively safe way, such as turning her in her last moments of life, he would have done it without hesitation, even though he knew that the "real" Buffy would not have wanted that. Spike's problem with bringing his mother back was that, unlike almost all other vampires, the idea of a sexual relationship with his mother, incest, still bothered him. He would have had no such problems with the same situation if it were vampire Buffy.

 

[EVIL UU]

I think that Spike answered that question.

Spike: Listen. I've figured it out. Maybe you haven't, but I have. Willow knew there was a chance that she'd come back wrong. So wrong that you'd have...that she would have to get rid of what came back. And I wouldn't let her. If any part of that was Buffy, I wouldn't let her. And that's why she shut me out.

You heard him - zombie Buffy's good enough.

 

[Wildfly]

I think that Spike answered that question.

Spike: Listen. I've figured it out. Maybe you haven't, but I have. Willow knew there was a chance that she'd come back wrong. So wrong that you'd have...that she would have to get rid of what came back. And I wouldn't let her. If any part of that was Buffy, I wouldn't let her. And that's why she shut me out.

You heard him - zombie Buffy's good enough.

Then he should be ecestatic, but he isn't. I mean that doesn't explain then why he's punishing the clearly innocent crypt wall and hurting his hand after he gets home 🙂

 

[Skanky Vamp]

I think that Spike answered that question.

Spike: Listen. I've figured it out. Maybe you haven't, but I have. Willow knew there was a chance that she'd come back wrong. So wrong that you'd have...that she would have to get rid of what came back. And I wouldn't let her. If any part of that was Buffy, I wouldn't let her. And that's why she shut me out.

You heard him - zombie Buffy's good enough.

I don't think Spike answered the question. There is a difference between accepting what is and having a hand in bringing something less than she was back. Just because he would accept Buffy as she was does not mean he would want to bring her back into that situation. Which is why they did not invite him into their little circle.

As much as he loved being a monster, he still wanted to be a man. So naturally he would not want Buffy to be brought back and risk her not being right. He would not want to subject her to his fate.

 

[EVIL UU]

Then he should be ecestatic, but he isn't. I mean that doesn't explain then why he's punishing the clearly innocent crypt wall and hurting his hand after he gets home

Look at Spike's reaction in "After Life" when he realizes that Buffy is not a robot. Look at his face. If that's not ecstatic than I don't know what is.

@Mr. Pole

I don't know, I mean, Spike was desperate enough to get himself a Buffybot. Drusilla, his previous obsession, was dead and crazy and that didn't seem to be an issue. He also helped Dawn turn Joyce into a zombie, surely knowing what could happen. I can't imagine a conversation like this, can you?

Willow: So Spike...we're bringing this bitch back. You're in?
Spike: N-no Red, there's always consequences with magic, what if the spell goes wrong, what if she doesn't want to come back and it's wrong and against the rules and blah blah blah blah

As much as he loved being a monster, he still wanted to be a man.

Not yet, not at that point.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

I can't imagine a conversation like this, can you?

Willow: So Spike...we're bringing this bitch back. You're in?
Spike: N-no Red, there's always consequences with magic, what if the spell goes wrong, what if she doesn't want to come back and it's wrong and against the rules and blah blah blah blah

No, but I can imagine something similar. Where he tells them off for being selfish and says to let her rest in peace.

Not yet, not at that point.

According to the Judge he stank of humanity. He brought back his mum so that he could feel more human. That's why he liked Joyce so much, because she treated him as a man. So I think, yes, at that point. But he just wasn't open to admit it.

 

[Wildfly]

...I can't imagine a conversation like this, can you?

Willow: So Spike...we're bringing this bitch back. You're in?
Spike: N-no Red, there's always consequences with magic, what if the spell goes wrong, what if she doesn't want to come back and it's wrong and against the rules and blah blah blah blah

Not yet, not at that point.

Lol, no. 😀 Well maybe in season 7.

If he'd be against i think he would go something like:

Willow: So Spike...we're bringing Buffy back tonight. Go bring me the horn of this demon. I need it for the spell. And don't scratch it.
Spike: Bring her back?! Why don't you leave her to rest in peace , Red? What now, everytime you losers need someone to wipe your noses you'll try to dig her up?

 

[GwenRaiden]

Look at Spike's reaction in "After Life" when he realizes that Buffy is not a robot. Look at his face. If that's not ecstatic than I don't know what is

I think that's one of my favourite moments of the Buffyverse. I'm not really mad for Spuffy but that scene hit me like a tonne of bricks. It was so subtle and well-acted.

 

[gite63]

Buffy Summers and Mr. Pole nailed the reasons why Spike didn't even think of looking for some way to bring Buffy back:

Because it was someone important to him he got how serious it was.

There is a difference between accepting what is and having a hand in bringing something less than she was back. Just because he would accept Buffy as she was does not mean he would want to bring her back into that situation.

My question is, if the Scoobies did ask his advice, what he would have told them?

So what would he do if asked by Willow to help in the spell?

I think he wouldn't want to do it, he wouldn't want them to do it - but he would be torn by it. Would he call Giles, maybe?

 

[thetopher]

Spike simply learned his lesson.
The last time he tried to mess with that sort of thing he inadvertently got Buffy killed (Doc found out about Dawn/The Key when they paid him a visit).
I always assumed that when Spike talks about 'that's the thing about magic, there's always consequences'- that's what he's talking about. By trying to help bring Joyce back he accidentally cost Buffy her life.

 

[EVIL UU]

@Mr. Pole
@Wildfly

Spike's a soulless vampire. I think that, ultimately, he cares more about his own drives and desires than he cares about Buffy, he kinda proves that with his actions in season 6, right? That's why I don't think that he has a reason to oppose Buffy's resurrection, from his perspective there's nothing to lose.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

@Mr. Pole
@Wildfly

Spike's a soulless vampire. I think that, ultimately, he cares more about his own drives and desires than he cares about Buffy, he kinda proves that with his actions in season 6, right?

No, not really. I dont see it that way.

 

[gite63]

The last time he tried to mess with that sort of thing he inadvertently got Buffy killed (Doc found out about Dawn/The Key when they paid him a visit).

??????? 😱
 
Dawn told Ben that she was made by the monks so Glory couldn't find her (Blood Ties).

Ben, inadvertently, told Jink that “it” was “innocent”, making Glory's minion realize that the Key was in human form. Jink then told Glory (Forever), who kidnapped Spike and tortured him, because she thought he was the Key (Intervention).

Glory only found out about Dawn when Tara looked at her and said: Oh, it's so pure! Such pure green energy! (Though Love).

 

[thetopher]

Dawn told Ben that she was made by the monks so Glory couldn't find her (Blood Ties).
Ben, inadvertently, told Jink that “it” was “innocent”, making Glory's minion realize that the Key was in human form. Jink then told Glory (Forever), who kidnapped Spike and tortured him, because she thought he was the Key (Intervention).
Glory only found out about Dawn when Tara looked at her and said: Oh, it's so pure! Such pure green energy! (Though Love).

And?

None of that had anything to do with Doc. Dawn was kidnapped by Glory before Weight Of The World in which is when Spike and Xander found out Doc's true alligence.
We never saw Doc and Glory/her minions intereract- so he didn't find out that way. We did see him examine Dawn's hair in Forever and then regard her with creepy interest (which Spike missed). He later appears in front of Dawn out of nowhere whilst Glory and her minions are fighting a separate battle and is then confronted by Spike.

You seriously didn''t get the connection between Forever and later on? It's a logical course of events and one of the main reasons why Spike feels so much guilt. He helped Dawn play with dangerous forces and their were 'consequences'.

It was inadvertant on Spike's part though. You might as well blame Dawn for setting the whole thing in motion, which would be just as unfair.

 

[gite63]

We never saw Doc and Glory/her minions intereract- so he didn't find out that way. We did see him examine Dawn's hair in Forever and then regard her with creepy interest (which Spike missed).

So, Doc worshiped Glorificus, and he knew (since Forever) that Dawn was the Key - but he didn't bother to tell Glory, who kept looking and making a fool out of herself, torturing a vampire for nothing.

He later appears in front of Dawn out of nowhere whilst Glory and her minions are fighting a separate battle and is then confronted by Spike.

He worshiped Glory and was doing his job. When Xander and Spike went to talk with Doc, Glory had already taken Dawn, and only at that moment Doc realised that the girl Spike brought to him earlier was the Key.

You seriously didn''t get the connection between Forever and later on?

No, I didn't.

It's a logical course of events and one of the main reasons why Spike feels so much guilt. He helped Dawn play with dangerous forces and their were 'consequences'.

Are you saying that the whole Glory-Key-sacrifice in the tower thing happened because Spike and Willow (she provided the resurrection book) helped Dawn deal with black magick?
 
Besides, only the mentally ill could recognize the Key; Glory herself had to conjure that big snake - and the spell to do it was a very rare one. Doc was a mere demon, I don't think he would recognize the Key just by examining a strand of hair.

When Doc pulled Dawn's hair he said she had a “strong DNA”, which could mean that he figured out that she was related to someone powerful, even making the connection to the Slayer; later, when Xander and Spike went o talk to him, Spike said:

SPIKE: Wonderful. But not why we're here. Hell-god type. Name of Glory has gone missing. She's brewing up some major-league bad, and she's nicked the Slayer's kid sister in the bargain.

DOC: Hmm. That girl you brought here. Sweet little thing.

 

[Silverspike]

So Spikes now being blamed for Buffy's death. Blimey he does get around doesn't he. What a little scamp. 😀